With respect to SACD vs. Should I buy the Deluxe edition for my Blu ray player that plays SACD or buy the Vinyl for an actual Vinyl player I would have to buy. . You will enjoy the contrast and comparison. Not a fair comparison. Plays in all CD and SACD players. Vinyl vs SACD. On the other hand, Vinyl records have a larger dynamic range than SACDs, which means that they can accurately reproduce louder and softer sounds. The vocals are real, the acoustic guitars are EQ'd perfectly. Virtual. Not that the SACD doesn't sound really good. . Vinyl. 4. There's no real difference between the sound characteristics of vinyl, SACD or CD. On the other hand digital has advantages in terms of low noise, low distortion etc so if you value that more, go for the SACD. #13. . Thread: SACD Vs. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me. e. The SACD vs. For comparison of the 2022 SACD and vinyl: I have to do it again with all releases. Given that they use the same mastering the answer is NO. Acoustic Sounds Audiophile Vinyl Records. It's about the music you like. Nirvana MTV Unplugged In New York (25th Anniv) (2019 Vinyl DGC B0029512-01) Nirvana MTV Unplugged In New York (Vinyl HR 180G) Paul. It was developed jointly by Sony and Philips Electronics and intended to be the successor to the compact disc (CD) format. S. As noted in my previous post [link], the Forum didn’t want to pay the $. This release was originally announced in late 2019 and fans have been waiting patiently ever since. Headquartered in Salina, Kansas, Acoustic Sounds, Inc. If you're a big classical/jazz listener, SACD is completely worth it. It may still engage me more, even if the SQ overall is not as pristine as an SACD. Most are remasters of jazz, blues, classical or classic rock/pop titles. SACD (1999) uses completely different 1-Bit method of encoding so it is hard to extrapolate, but best guess, SACD is about. Vinyl: SACD offers digital precision, while vinyl provides analog warmth and character. Vinyl. The MoFi also has surface noise,while the Abkco vinyl is near silent. New media New comments Browse Albums Search media. SACD Players SACD stands for Super Audio CD. According to a theorem called. On the Analogue Productions SACD,. Link to comment Share on other sites. Consequently, the Super Audio CD (SACD) was developed by Philips and Sony. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. If the OP wastes money on those with no SACD player, then he wastes money. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. But again, I'd love to be proven wrong. The Beethoven symphony cycle on LSO Live (Haitink, 2006) is an SACD hybrid set. Kevin Gray's work is superior, no matter the format. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". That leaves Soft Parade which also was released by Audio Fidelity. Better than vinyl, better than reel-to-reel, better than CD and even better than DVD-Audio. Joined Mar. I prefer the SACD. I collect and have sizable collection of vinyl from 23 years of solid collecting. I want the best sound. Hopefully this will give you some ability to make a fairly knowledgeable leap to make the album purchase one way or another. Technically, it's more an aesthetic choice or trying to be louder than the other band on the street. . Bluebook The right price. SACD vs. I see a trend, and I tend to do this myself, looking for older "original" cd releases of stuff if there are one or multiple re-masters available today. The versions are dynamic with a DR12 and from master in DSD except for the vinyl which is pure analog. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. I guess it shows you how much cheaper. DSD uses delta-sigma modulation a form of pulse-density modulation encoding, a technique to represent audio signals in digital format, a sequence of single-bit values at a sampling rate of 2. I just listened closely to the MFSL SACD, the noises are audible at the end of every track. Blows them all away with more full body richness. Posted August 3, 2011. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. SACD vs. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Sounded most balanced, less bright, more "analog". My reluctance in getting a transport has many reasons, the main being my investment in vinyl, but I did need to find a link to my CDs. It came as a total shock to me, since I heard so many people claim that SACD is mostly an overkill for the human ear. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. 0:00 - LP2. SACD vs. Mono audio was the first of all the (analog) audio formats and formed the basis for radio and analog TV for many years; including vinyl records. Miles Davis – Kind of Blue SACD – (out of print) – While this all time classic is available on all kinds of vinyl – you will have to make it your audiophile mission to find a used copy on SACD because it was released and it was good. Virtual Systems Let the world see what you've built. This opinion is based on over 2 dozen CD, SACD/CD players and transport/DACS I've heard here over the past 18 months. I like Analogue Productions' work, so it should be interesting to hear how they sound. With a storage capacity of 4. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. The SACD versions bring the best of the digital versions with the MOFI SACD followed by the 1999 SACD. NorthNY Mark and Espen R like this. I would think that the Vinyl will sound better than the standard CD. There are more albums where I compared against a standard CD. Even vinyl has enough dynamic range to cover that. It. Boy, what a difference. I can't believe there's any real debate over MFSL SACD vs. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. The authors aren’t saying that high-res digital might sound a little different from Red Book CD but is no better. I am a big vinyl fan, but have a small library of SACD's. I still prefer vinyl, but I simply do not listen to CD's any more the digital fatigue compared to the SACD's is just too. Boy, what a difference. 7 gigabytes per disk (as much as a DVD), SACD can accommodate separate stereo and six-channel mixes of 100 minutes each. The wait is over for the Analogue Productions SACD. Pacific 2 SE -> Ayon Crossfire III or Circle Labs A100 -> Avantgarde Acoustic Trio LE 26 with 4x REL Carbon Special ,SACD Player: Audio Aero La Fontaine Analog : Transrotor Fat Bob S. Hi-res digital audio vs sacd I've got a pretty good setup for vinyl and digital audio files, but I have an opportunity to get a "minty" 10-yr old audiophile-grade CD/SACD player for $350. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. What i meant was,as a whole,sacd recordings are good wheres dvd-audio recordings are a hit-and-miss. The Super Audio Compact Disc format was. . Well, the NS500V has been burning in for about 60 hours now (the SACD demo disk on infinite repeat), so I figured I'd do a comparison to our aging. My guess is that if they wanted to tweak the SACD to match the sound of the final vinyl pressing, they probably could…. Hybrid Stereo SACD. I think my buying strategy just morphed into buying a few LPs which I really want and then stocking up on the less expensive SACDs, particularly if the. Hi commsysman. In the vinyl vs. Sign in with Twitter. Sent from my LG-H820. New Jersey, USA. In-Stock Music Orders Over $99 SHIP FREE Within The Continental U. To address a few questions; there are two seperate series, stereo and Mono in the Prestige SACD series, each with unique titles. CD: SACD’s high resolution and dynamic range typically exceed those of standard CDs, resulting in a potentially more detailed and accurate listening experience. This first example compares MoFi' s Music From Big Pink - LP vs. . The vinyl appears to be analogue mastered so if you value an all-analogue chain that would be an advantage. . However, I have tested the EQ of my cartridge and phono stage and in all the following examples, that EQ has been reversed out of the vinyl samples so that what we're comparing is the true EQ of what's in the LP groove. I always remember the SACD being pretty good, but I now think the vinyl destroys it. Location: West Hollywood, CA and Inverness, IL. My sony bdps590 sacd output in lcpm to my AVR sounds different to my Cambridge audio dvd89 analogue out and foobar2000 lcpm out. Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. I have SACD that beats my vinyl and vice versa. Submitted by Irwin on Sun, 2015-04-26 01:07 . Menu. Quote: Originally posted by kelly jopi The largest problem I have with these subjective opinions is that rarely are both the SACD player and the turntable system of equal quality. I don't know which is more truthful. The SACD I found is always better, that’s if you have the right SACD player like the DMP. Vinyl: SACD offers digital precision, while vinyl provides analog warmth and character. ”. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. The difference between 24/192 and DSD is that the DSD sounds more analog like, but this is not a huge difference in overall sound quality. While vinyl records, in theory, directly encode a smooth audio wave, CDs sample that audio wave at various points and then collate those samples. Luke theorizes that the 2003 SACD and the MFSL were sourced from an LP cutting master and that the original master mixes were used on the Biograph and GHII remasters. SACD obviously has an advantage on portability and probably overall SQ - but that's still subjective as I might enjoy the "colorization" of vinyl more. If it's a hi-res source of unknown origin it will simply say "HR". Doug Sax was also involved with the mastering of these CDs. Packaging: Nicest packaging and faithful reproduction of the original album. Tony Plachy, Jan 7, 2015. While the standard CD format is tied to a 44. Look how far CD sound has come in the last 20. All that being written, the dilemma, SACD vs. Pepper hit the charts. Vinyl can sound utterly amazing at first but eventually you will wear out a record. Search first posts only. just WAY better than either the Blu-Spec CD or regular CD. Vinyl. 1 kHz sampling rate, SACD samples at 2. Availability: In Stock. This is why CDs sample sound at 44. I have the five Steve Wilson blu-ray audio 5. Might as well jump: Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab has announced that Van Halen's first six multi-platinum albums originally released on the Warner Bros. Then I bought the new SACD version. There's no real difference between the sound characteristics of vinyl, SACD or CD. Along with LPs, SACDs, reel-to-reel tape and other forms of high-quality audio. SACD VS Vinyl for Jazz and Classical Well, I've been thinking of getting into vinyl for a while now but still haven't done it. 11-16-2011 at 02:28pm. Moody Blues "Question of bal. Location: United States. The vinyl was much better. I find that SACD offers more detail and a deeper, wider soundstage and better instrument timbre over CD. But when I find an album that is available in SACD vs Vinyl----SACD 90% of the time, unless the LP is a collectors items and LTD edition. Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by fluffskul, Apr 26, 2012. Not making "excuses" for SACD, just making a point. Some vinyl is very quiet while others are not . vinyl debate ultimately comes down to personal preference and the listening experience you seek. I noted underneath your review of the box set that the new SHM-SACD was a flat transfer from the analogue master. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. A lot of pops and crackles ("a lot" for a brand new MFSL vinyl, I mean) on the. Vinyl, ASL AQ-1005 DT vs. It has long been believed that the human ear cannot hear frequencies above 22 kHz. Thankfully my vinyl copy of that album is pristine. Super Audio CD (SACD) is an optical disc format for audio storage introduced in 1999. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. Yes. When it comes to listening to music, there are two main formats that audiophiles swear by: SACD players and vinyl. 8224 MHz. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". Vinyl. SACD vs. The dynamics of the attack are still there, but the leading edge lacks aggressiveness and sounds much smoother. 1kHz/16-bit digital audio is indistinguishable from high-resolution digital. Denon - DCD-A110 SACD/CD Player. At current SACD and vinyl reissue prices I sure do. Sure it has a tint, but what doesn't? Vinyl has a tint. A digital recording doesn't degrade overtime like a record does when played too many times. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. But CDs are fine. November 4th for CBAT. On a CD, the separation between the left and right channels used in recording is over 90 dB. my system, SACD sounds better than DVD-A, because I'm playing SACDs on a Sony AX777ES, and playing DVD-As on a Yamaha DVD-S1200. Location: Panama. I, obviously, played the vinyl on my Clearaudio Concept TT. I run through a comparison review about this subject today. It plays PCM and may not do high res. First I played my vinyl copy yesterday and found it be exquisite. Nowadays I listen to vinyl. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. The only significant differences are in noise. However, we find a significant variation of the levels of the top of the spectrum (above 15 kHz) due to an equalization or to the burning head (red zone). From the sound’s point of view, there is always a difference between SACD and the regular cd, but that left apart, usually XRCDs are sounding much better than. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. I own the SHM-SACD of Who's Next along with CD's mastered by Doug Sax & our host. 8224 MHz. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Just for kicks I decided to compare Side A of the Speakers Corner vinyl to the same corresponding songs on the JSACD. The sound of the two versions is similar. Myke, Dec 4, 2013. Digital vs. SACD vs. It's great for archiving, in it's day. Kann man diese beiden Formate vergleichen?Analog und Digital? Geht das?Zum abspielen eines SACD Formats benötigt man einen passenden SACD Player. 5 manual RCM then queued up one track at a time. It’s appalling the crap they’re releasing to kids these days… Cheap recycled vinyl, pushing the acetate to the limit or until it’ ground in some spots. Nantes, France. - John SunierMoody Blues "Question of bal. SACD VS Vinyl for Jazz and Classical Well, I've been thinking of getting into vinyl for a while now but still haven't done it. IMHO. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. No other version other than their double 45 rpm vinyl (also mediocre) sounds like this. SACD VS Vinyl for Jazz and Classical Well, I've been thinking of getting into vinyl for a while now but still haven't done it. Pour a glass or cup of your preference and press play. On September 16th Analogue Productions announced they will reissue the entire ABC/MCA Records Steely Dan catalog on SACD, and 45rpm UHQR LP, beginning November 4th with their debut album Can't Buy A Thrill, now in its 50th anniversary year. YES Fragile also sounded quite excellent. General observations: * The Who - SHM-SACD is quite clean - I can easily move in and out of each track within each song so there is vg clarity. Mobile Fidelity Gold CD 1988. Mirror Image Forum Resident. An XRCD is just a redbook CD that goes through a special mastering process, usually at 20 or 24 bit, as apposed to a standard redbook CD that is mastered at 16 bits (the XRCD's are converted down to 16 bit at the end of the mastering process in order to retain compatibility with redbook standard). The vinyl is top notch too. New posts Search forums. Updated on January 6, 2021 Although pre-recorded CDs have lost luster with the convenience of digital music streaming and downloads, the CD started the digital music. The band's incendiary…I agree to a point, but "everything matters" and adding an well built, linear power supply to my source made a subtle but very, very noticeable improvement as did cableing, power cables, isolation, etc. Also available on: • UHQR Vinyl Record. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. And I'm not all that hot on CDs. Note the. We really need to move on, but SACD and DVD-A and BluRay have so far not killed the Red Book standard disc. It's a euphonic medium to me, at the end of the day. Oh and if you like SACDs, most of the masters were made on digital audio workstations that are PCM. While the standard CD format is tied to a 44. SACD vs. I have most of the recordings you mention and they're all great. Both are also 4K UHD Blu-Ray players. SACD vs. In other words it needs some work to breath. The most notable proof of this is the CD4 quadraphonic system which relied on a 45 kHz bandwidth. Seems like for PG3 one should definitely get Classic Records Vinyl, for PG1 SACD gets closer to vinyl, but still the vinyl has upper hand. By all means, get the 4 DCC's. This stereo UHQR reissue will be limited to 30,000 copies, with gold foil individually numbered jackets, housed in a premium slipcase with a wooden dowel spine. 98 $19. You can hear what inspired Hendrix - he obviously didn’t stumble on the stereo mix of 'Watchtower' first. We do plan on releasing a limited run of virgin vinyl 45rpm pressings—probably 500 pieces—sometime next month if we’re able. Then I bought the new SACD version. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. When I got my better audio system I bought a dedicated two channel Sony SCD-1 player. DeepDiscount has 1/25 as the release date. I think the Doug Sax mastering has a slight edge over the other two and the funny thing is. But I don't have an LP with the exact same mastering as an SACD so I can't do any type of apples-to-apples comparison (and even then equipment comes in to play). In the end it really comes down to the transfer and the mastering. #2. Don't want to spend a lot of money, maybe I will not like them. . I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. MikeT, Nov 3, 2019. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. Music shouldn't be encoded at a bitrate lower than 128 kbps, or it will sound pretty lifeless. I do have an unwrapped Cramberries (best of) SHM CD with me. Most noticeable is a good front-to-back soundstage and to a lesser extent better timbre. SACD vs. Quote: Originally Posted by FenderP To me, it's not about formats. . ? I jumped into the SACD thing because I wanted agood digital source for my CDs so I said why not pay some more and get SACD. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Instrumental and vocal decay became more and more discernible and authentic. For vinyl I currently have the 2009 Classic 200g, I think mastered by Grundman. One is the MFSL version which I loved. (Believe it or not, this was a major argument in some of the original SACD sales literature. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Also, instead of a 16-bit depth, it uses a 1-bit depth. If you want to try SACD on a budget (relatively), the Sony UBP-X800M2 Blu-Ray player plays SACDs (as well as DVD Audio, which does high-res surround). . jmtd. ) than the original 2002 redbook CD. Low Noise Floor: SACDs tend to have a lower noise floor compared to vinyl records, which means less background noise or surface noise during playback. Quick links. Again, though, the Blu-Spec CD sounded better than the regular CD - just a bit more fuller, more definition and tighter bass and treble extension over the CD. Plan9 Mastering Engineer. for making the SACD version, and instead they CHOSE James Guthrie, who was an engineer producing, e. This gives SACD a very distinct improvement in transient response. Compared to the vinyl, more rounded, less real. psulioninks Forum Resident Thread Starter. Search Head Gear. I did the comparison via my Stax Lambda Pro headphone system (which can be quite revealing). On the vinyl, the violin and the acoustic rhythm guitar lay back a bit, and there's a slightly rounded-off, woody tone to the drumming and the bass, and a very, very subtle tunneled, recessed quality to the vocals. The remastering has added the humanity and warmth Mozart requires. What do you think about SACD vs Vinyl in sound terms? I know it has been deiscussed but if you feel like answer me now after some years after its. If you like SACDs, the 2004 reissue of Relaxin’ by the Miles Davis Quintet sounds equally fantastic, albeit a little different with a brighter high end and more noticeable amounts of tape hiss. SACD, to me, just doesn't sound real, life-like, or true. Acoustic Sounds Audiophile Vinyl Records. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. SACD debate, there is no definitive answer to which format offers the ultimate listening experience. 1/96/192 has little audible effect, ever hear a 20k test tone? The whole resolution. #4. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. 2. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Id agree with the guy about the old cd and sacd not being *that* much different other than a bit more resolution. One is the MFSL version which I loved. Quote: Originally Posted by regal The sampling rate 44. SACD (white) vs Bluray (blue) The pressing quality of 2022 vinyl is not always perfect, but often a wash will solve the problem. New posts Search forums. After purchasing The Cars S/T, Candy-O, and Shake It Up on MFSL vinyl, here are my thoughts. 112 posts total. SACD is not always better than some CD. SHM-SACD vs original CD (WB), vs original vinyl (WB) I first cleaned each vinyl LP on my NG 1. The data is read by a laser, and then decoded to produce audio playback. This first example compares MoFi' s Music From Big Pink - LP vs. SHM-SACD vs Original LP/Original LP-rip, Original CD and other reissues. Tom Favata, Apr 9, 2021. High Resolution: SACD offers a significantly higher sample rate and bit depth, resulting in more accurate and. Also, instead of a 16-bit depth, it uses a 1-bit depth. . disc duplication: The Indie Music Minute. On the vinyl, the violin and the acoustic rhythm guitar lay back a bit, and there's a slightly rounded-off, woody tone to the drumming and the bass, and a very, very subtle tunneled, recessed quality to the vocals. I wrote I was somewhat pleased with the mastering. But don't have YesSongs on disc (have it on original vinyl only). 1 kHz and 16 bits of information per sample. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist. I've heard to the contrary, that the QUAD version. They all sound good but the SACD is sublime. Vinyl has more. I have to say that after a couple of years of critical listening, I like SACD better. Yesterday I received a Holiday Specials brochure from Music Direct and on the back cover is the 2LP vinyl set that Ralphie discussed in his post HERE. So far my favorites from each format are as follows: SACD: Eric Clapton - Journeyman DVD-A: Fleetwood Mac - Rumors DVD (Dolby Digital/DTS): Eagles. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. These backup copies could be used for future releases whenever a new convenient data medium comes around. This is the first time the. I have 30 year old Sony belt drive TT with a SME 3 arm and blue point cartridge vs a Sony 777ES. DANKOSKY: We'll be talking a bit about some of these new, modern ways of compressing music. I have to disagree with the positive remarks of the SACD's. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Boy, what a difference. As a college student, he played in indie bands, created his own LPs, cassettes, and t-shirts, and sold them at shows. Even as a purist I am very happy with the results. Acoustic Sounds Audiophile Vinyl Records. Blows them all away with more full body richness. The OP asked specifically if an SHM-Platinum CD sounds better than the redbook layer of a Hybrid-SACD. SACD. " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. I don't know which is more truthful. 1. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. "No matter how high a sampling rate is," Wired's. Thread starter mosttoysrk; Start date Sep 25, 2007; Help Support MartinLogan Audio Owners Forum:. some of the older quadrophonic recordings now being reissued), or are pieces which were designed for surround sound (e. I don't know which is more truthful. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. SACD. KeithH Success With Honor. • SHM Single Layer SACDs. The MoFi absolutely kills the Sony. . Label: Reprise: Genre: Pop/Rock: Product No. Which format do you like the most, or find to be the closest to the original master tapes? Or, if you attend live concerts (or play and instrument), which format do you prefer and why? wenterprisesnw 02-04-2000 7:53pm. DJM CD very excellent as is the MCA clone mastering of the DJM. SACD offers pristine, high-resolution digital audio with exceptional detail, while vinyl provides a warm, analog character and a tactile, nostalgic experience. The MoFi vinyl is a real eye-opener. Dec 10, 2005. vinyl, I don't have vinyl so can't really tell. But in the last month I have finally picked up an SACD player and I was looking to pick up the SACD of Dark Side, in fact I had started to price them when I saw this. I did a similar shoot out to yours above with the sax and vocal section at the end of Avalon with the SACD and UK first press vinyl. One is the MFSL version which I loved. Vinyl. Stereophile SACD test Hi everybody, I've just joined this forum after reading this thread on the Stereophile test. From the sound’s point of view, there is always a difference between SACD and the regular cd, but that left apart, usually XRCDs are sounding much better than their CD-DA counterparts. Today, the world has moved on to multi-bit PCM. 7 gigabytes per disk (as much as a DVD), SACD can accommodate separate stereo and six-channel mixes of 100 minutes each. This album can sound really good. They are not cheap but not the most expensive of the DCC discs. Please, bear in mind that I have NO original vinyls to compare to, only the early CDs of Shake It Up and Greatest Hits: 1) Shake It Up - the worse pressing from the three. #30. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. The band did NOT like it at all. Even the UBP-X700 (cheaper) does SACD. I only have a single SHM-SACD - it’s superior compared to every format I’ve heard the title on, including the MoFI SACD. Or sign in with one of these services.